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fiscal cliff. our guest is republican representative tom cole of oklahoma, a member of the appropriations and budget committee. also joined by georgetown university tax law professor john buckley on how the alternative minimum tax is affecting fiscal negotiations. "washington journal" is next. ♪ ♪ host: 25 days to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of the year. no formal talks between the two sides are scheduled today. will go outside the nation's capital to get your voice involved. republicans -- democrats -- independents -- send us a tweet, post your comments on facebook, or send us an e-mail. we begin with some of the papers across the country today and how this latest proposal from house republicans is playing out in the papers. courtesy of "the atlantic journal-constitution" -- here is "the denver post" -- finally, here is "of the arizona republic" -- here is "t
fiscal cliff. our guest is republican representative tom cole of oklahoma, a member of the appropriations and budget committee. also joined by georgetown university tax law professor john buckley on how the alternative minimum tax is affecting fiscal negotiations. "washington journal" is next. ♪ ♪ host: 25 days to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of...
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>> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team pla
>> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire...
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we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. that's why we quickly responded to another proposal to the president. but the president refused to have a discussion. >> there's other reports that say republicans are looking for a fallback position, if he can't get the capps on deductions for more tax revenues and so forth. and it's going to be tax rates that the republicans might just vote present. some might vote present. some might vote aye and deal with the rates next year is. that just pure press speculation or is there anything to it? >> look, those are all press stories that are out there. we're trying to solve a problem. because if that came to fruition, that does nothing to solve the problem. and we just have an unbelievable amount of growth in government where we have to control the spending. if we want to truly save medicare and social security, we've got to do something about it. that's what republicans have been proposing all along. we want to solve a problem once and for all. and that's why we haven't waited -- it's in
we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. that's why we quickly responded to another proposal to the president. but the president refused to have a discussion. >> there's other reports that say republicans are looking for a fallback position, if he can't get the capps on deductions for more tax revenues and so forth. and it's going to be tax rates that the republicans might just vote present. some might vote present. some might vote aye and deal with the rates next year is. that just...
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that was a good solid meeting discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates could go down next year as far as tax reform. you talked with fiscal rates need to go up. what he campaigned on was the 39.6 at the end of the year. is that the case? >> so, let me say this, the president has been absolutely clear, as have i, that rates have to go up on top earners, on millionaires and billionaires, those making over $250,000. the president made that clear all yearlong and clear in the post-election period being engaged in conversations with congress about how to deal with the fiscal cliff, and our long term deficit challenges. we have yet to
that was a good solid meeting discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates...
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[laughter] and now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. let me start off just by -- we will do the house rules, except we will cut in half. 30 seconds -- then we will have time to elaborate on all this. i want to go through the panel. what do think the odds are that some kind of the deal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration and all the tax hikes? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it is 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is, though, is this going to be a big enough deal, and will actually be enough of a down payment that it will lead to something else subsequently that will actually avoid the kind of enormous consequences of $16 trillion of debt? that percentage will be lower than the 80%. >> let's come back to the big picture -- in the short term, by january 1 -- will we avoid the cliff? >> i think it is likely that we avoid it. it does not appear that that is going so well. it is so easy for us just to do the things we need to do. i think the real line in the sand is going to be the debt ceiling.
[laughter] and now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. let me start off just by -- we will do the house rules, except we will cut in half. 30 seconds -- then we will have time to elaborate on all this. i want to go through the panel. what do think the odds are that some kind of the deal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration and all the tax hikes? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it is 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is, though, is this going to...
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you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the president's plan is just, quite frankly, a joke. >> i'm not sure about that, senator graham, but there will be plenty of time for jok
you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was...
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economy from going off the fiscal cliff in the new year. in fact, most experts believe a framework deal must be reac reached this week, most likely by thursday to give the house, ways and means and the senate finance committee several days to work the deal to legislative language. since it will be complex, likely to increase re-knew and cut entitlement spending if the lawmakers want a cost estimate with nonpartisan numbers from the congressional budget office, it would require several more days. the house g.o.p. requires that the bill be posted for parts of three days which means early next week in order for votes by the end of next week. veterans of past capital hill battles note the whip operation convincing lawmakers to vote for the legislation they barely seen will be critical. >> likely that both sides, the president and the speaker are going to have to twist arms, they are going to have to call people. they are going, you know, do anything they can to push a deal over the line. >> with christmas eve in two weeks, the president, lawmak
economy from going off the fiscal cliff in the new year. in fact, most experts believe a framework deal must be reac reached this week, most likely by thursday to give the house, ways and means and the senate finance committee several days to work the deal to legislative language. since it will be complex, likely to increase re-knew and cut entitlement spending if the lawmakers want a cost estimate with nonpartisan numbers from the congressional budget office, it would require several more...
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we want to keep that in mind as we head towards the fiscal cliff. only four in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal on the cliff before the first of the year, and if this goes south, a 53% of the american people are prepared to blame republicans. the president's job approval rating is well over 50%. congress' approval rating is under 20%. why what a the president back down? >> the president isn't interested in a balanced agreement, not particularly interested in avoiding a fiscal cliff, and clearly not been tested at all in cutting and spending. >> the senate minority leader says that what the president is interested in is getting as much taxpayer money has he can so that he can spend to his heart's content. with his approval ratings going up and congress' numbers at historic lows and the unemployment rate dropping, why with the president back down? charles? >> to some extent he is under estimating the damage she will suffer if -- he suffer if we go over the cliff. it will hurt the republicans in congress, which is why de
we want to keep that in mind as we head towards the fiscal cliff. only four in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal on the cliff before the first of the year, and if this goes south, a 53% of the american people are prepared to blame republicans. the president's job approval rating is well over 50%. congress' approval rating is under 20%. why what a the president back down? >> the president isn't interested in a balanced agreement, not particularly interested...
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we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one thing you want javier to agree to, to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we need to have the spending cuts. >> give me an example? >> well, it is looking at the spending, entitlement reform, and growth in government. the president is moving in the wrong direction. he proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that's moving us in the wrong direction. >> go ahead and respond. >> how much spending cuts do we want to see? i could tally up for you right now, $3 trillion with the spending cuts that we already enacted in law in the last year and a half. $1 trillion that came from the budget control act that was passed a year ago, that said a trillion dollars has to start coming up now, and that has begun. another trillion dollars which is going to be enacted through the sequester. we still have them. and we can move forward. that's another trillion, 1.2 trillion. let me give you the other 800 billion. we cut -- democrats without a republican vote, $716 billion in -- and we found $716 billion in savings through m
we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one thing you want javier to agree to, to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we need to have the spending cuts. >> give me an example? >> well, it is looking at the spending, entitlement reform, and growth in government. the president is moving in the wrong direction. he proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that's moving us in the wrong direction. >> go ahead and respond. >>...
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cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best spokesman for conservatism. >> no, no. >> we should put a paul ryan -- we need younger leadership. >> paul ryan came out publicly in support of boehner. that's point number one. secondly, boehner jumped ryan over more senior people to put him as head of the budget committee. that's my second point. and boehner himself is being advised by ryan every step of the way. >> what do you say about this purge then? he's purging people that wants to balance the budget. >> you lost, ron. don't blame boehner. blame the republican party. blame conservatives. jim demint sa
cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best...
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easily saying, yeah, we can go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, this is a president, he would have to own it. he may not say he has to own the recession. but if we go over that, he has to own that. >> he knows that. >> and that's something he definitely knows. >> i think he agrees with bob that the recession would be his problem. >> it would be a giant disaster. he needs to improve things and show that he's a leader. and, you know, here's the big question, whether he's miscalculated by coming out and saying, we have to raise taxes on the upper brackets. that is a red line. >> right. >> and, you know, for -- newt knows this way too well. there are so many republicans in the house that that is against doctrine. that will get the "wall street journal" editorial page spinning, and that means a lot. to a lot of households. >> we need to get to a break. but after the break, 2016 is taking shape. some of the moves made in the republican party, we'll get into that. and of course the election may be >>> it was a rare event late o
easily saying, yeah, we can go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, this is a president, he would have to own it. he may not say he has to own the recession. but if we go over that, he has to own that. >> he knows that. >> and that's something he definitely knows. >> i think he agrees with bob that the recession would be his problem. >> it would be a giant disaster. he needs to improve things and show that he's a leader. and, you know, here's the big...
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this is how one man sees the fiscal cliff. this is allen simpson, as in the simpson in simpson/bowles. ♪ >> yep, that may be the most actions the fiscal cliff saw today. here's the scene on capitol hill here at noon. yep, people leaving, members of congress leaving washington, heading home on a wednesday afternoon. one man standing was the house speaker and he says, i'm not going anywhere. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> but, of course, it takes two to tango. where does president obama stand? >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. >> he's absolutely right about that. but we heard earlier this evening the president and speaker boehner did speak late today on the phone. that's good news. but in this case, we think we need facetime. they need to sit down face to face, pound it out, face to face breeds trust. even the democrats think the president needs to do a little more in-person work on this. >> the p
this is how one man sees the fiscal cliff. this is allen simpson, as in the simpson in simpson/bowles. ♪ >> yep, that may be the most actions the fiscal cliff saw today. here's the scene on capitol hill here at noon. yep, people leaving, members of congress leaving washington, heading home on a wednesday afternoon. one man standing was the house speaker and he says, i'm not going anywhere. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get...
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that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i
that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and...
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the fight over the fiscal cliff shows no signs of easing. coming up at the top of the hour we're expecting to hear from house speak er john boehner and house republicans, who have been meeting this morning. they're not happy with the negotiations. president obama says no deal will be reached without higher taxes on the wealthy. >> a new twist in the case of internet mogul john mcafee, millionaire on the run from police in belize, who want to question mcafee about the shooting of a man, but say mcafee is not a suspect. >>> typhoon kills 274 people in the philippines. it destroyed homes. it left washed out road, downed power lines and lots of damage. >>> dr. phil's stolen '57 chevy has been found. the chevy belair in los angeles while investigating stolen cars. targeting repair shops and making off with the cars. dr. phil's chevy has minor body damage butto otherwise is in good condition. >>> tradition in south carolina was way too much for one giraffe. it was all caught on camera. ooh, melman the giraffe started shaking and jumping up and dow
the fight over the fiscal cliff shows no signs of easing. coming up at the top of the hour we're expecting to hear from house speak er john boehner and house republicans, who have been meeting this morning. they're not happy with the negotiations. president obama says no deal will be reached without higher taxes on the wealthy. >> a new twist in the case of internet mogul john mcafee, millionaire on the run from police in belize, who want to question mcafee about the shooting of a man,...
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tell us about fiscal cliff. are you worried about the fiscal cliff? >>guest: you bet your life. people in my district are, small business people if my district are concerned about it. people have to plan not just for the bill of today but the bills and the tax responsibilities they are going to have if tomorrow. i listened to a previous guest, the people, the small business people in my community, 97 per science -- percent to not make $250,000 a year personal salaries so they are not affected by the top 2 percent. having said that, they want people to get back to work. people to have jobs to have incomes to buy from the small business people. blue are small or large you want to know which, how are the laws going to be, what are the tax lie bills going to be, and this congress owes it to the american people to tell them. >>eric: congressman, america has always been about hard working people earning, creating jobs, creating opportunity, passing a better life on to the next generation, to their kids, i don't know, at some point maybe you say it is time to man up, go over the fiscal
tell us about fiscal cliff. are you worried about the fiscal cliff? >>guest: you bet your life. people in my district are, small business people if my district are concerned about it. people have to plan not just for the bill of today but the bills and the tax responsibilities they are going to have if tomorrow. i listened to a previous guest, the people, the small business people in my community, 97 per science -- percent to not make $250,000 a year personal salaries so they are not...
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republicans call the fiscal cliff plan a joke, an insult and break from reality. suffice it to say, it is unacceptable to them. the president's opening round offer includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in savings from medicare and other entitlement programs, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and an additional $285 billion to fund depreciation and mortgage programs, unemployment insurance benefits, and payroll tax cuts. >> this extra spending, that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it's -- it was not a serious proposal. >> while his aides were on capitol hill offering up the opening bid, the president was making his case in pennsylvania campaign style. >> at the end of the day a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, they agreed with a balanced approach. deficit reduction. >> after the president's remarks, i spoke with his main man on the fiscal cliff, treasury secretary tim geithner. >> let me ask you, the reaction to your going up on the hill and saying this is basically the white house
republicans call the fiscal cliff plan a joke, an insult and break from reality. suffice it to say, it is unacceptable to them. the president's opening round offer includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in savings from medicare and other entitlement programs, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and an additional $285 billion to fund depreciation and mortgage programs, unemployment insurance benefits, and payroll tax cuts. >> this extra spending, that's actually greater than...
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has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played for political -- for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. >> so grover norquist. if you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just they're going to go up and they're going to go up on somebody. what would you re
has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think...
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wouldn't that bring an end to the fiscal cliff? we could wrap it up now and everybody could go on vacation? >> yes, but you're asking the wrong guy. i'm not in congress. >> but you're on set, will. come on, suck it up! >> i'm going to answer. i'm always happy to talk if you're going to put the camera on me. i can see reality in front of me and see that republicans have very little leverage to decide or impose their will on this outcome. that being said, what they're looking at is how can we kind of salvage a political victory out of this and stand for what we want? as you've had people on this program suggest, it may just be going over the fiscal cliff and not voting for a tax raise and then later negotiating taxes down. >> republicans will be blamed, polls show, if we go over the cliff. >> let's turn to jeb henserling, newly named chairman of the house committee and co-chair on the super committee. we heard will saying how do you salvage a political victory? the reality is if nothing is done, if you cannot get together, you go ove
wouldn't that bring an end to the fiscal cliff? we could wrap it up now and everybody could go on vacation? >> yes, but you're asking the wrong guy. i'm not in congress. >> but you're on set, will. come on, suck it up! >> i'm going to answer. i'm always happy to talk if you're going to put the camera on me. i can see reality in front of me and see that republicans have very little leverage to decide or impose their will on this outcome. that being said, what they're looking at...
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they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go over that fiscal cliff, you got to compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise. to some liberals on the far left, conservatives on the far right, compromise is a dirty word. you should never compromise with the other side. they hate that. they rather go over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democrati
they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go...
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investors refusing to give up hope on the fiscal cliff. the dow and s&p 500 gained post-election day tumble. the dow climbed 13 points for its fourth straight game. >>> more trouble for once untouchable apple. jeffries cut its price target by 100 bucks down to $480 a share. shares fell by more than half a percent on the news. >>> now on to our top story. tonight is taxes and how hard we are all about to get hit. there are already a trillion in tax increases baked right into the obamacare law and that means upper being in earners will see billions of dollars in tax hikes as it is. for democrats it is not enough. with republican lawmakers backing off the pledge not to raise taxes looks like tax hikes for the wealthy are certainty. joining for more, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. thanks so much for joining us. >> absolutely you say a lot of people are missing the fact that obamacare baked in a ton of tax hikes for wealthier americans as it is? >> people talk about the fiscal cliff as if it is one thing. it is three. t
investors refusing to give up hope on the fiscal cliff. the dow and s&p 500 gained post-election day tumble. the dow climbed 13 points for its fourth straight game. >>> more trouble for once untouchable apple. jeffries cut its price target by 100 bucks down to $480 a share. shares fell by more than half a percent on the news. >>> now on to our top story. tonight is taxes and how hard we are all about to get hit. there are already a trillion in tax increases baked right...
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this morning we also had a look at the fiscal cliff. host: we're looking at different pass expects of the fiscal cliff. today we turn our attention to the alternative minimum tax and the patch that could come from congress if they're able to work out a deal. if they do nothing this will impact 30 million americans. joining to us discuss is georgetown law's john buckley. thank you for being here. john buckley, let's begin. what is the alternative minimum tax? guest: in very simple terms, the alternative minimum tax requires you to pay the greater of what you pay under the regular income tax or what you would compute under the minimum tax which has a slightly broader base. it disallows some deductions that would be allowed in the regular tax. in some respects it's very similar to cap on itemized deductions that's currently being discussed. rather than directly attack preferences in expenditures it essentially puts an overall cap on benefit. there's no new ideas in this debate. the cap bears a very strong relationship to how the alternativ
this morning we also had a look at the fiscal cliff. host: we're looking at different pass expects of the fiscal cliff. today we turn our attention to the alternative minimum tax and the patch that could come from congress if they're able to work out a deal. if they do nothing this will impact 30 million americans. joining to us discuss is georgetown law's john buckley. thank you for being here. john buckley, let's begin. what is the alternative minimum tax? guest: in very simple terms, the...
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to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice.
to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in...
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the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road where they have more leverage. president obama was asked about that earlier this week and said he doesn't want to play the debt ceiling game anymore. that's where republicans have more leverage than then do on other matters. >> all right. senior political editor mark murray, have a great weekend, sir. >> i want to bring in congressman peter welch from vermont. good to see you again. talked to you last weekend on msnbc. at that point you told me that you thought there was a 50/50 shot we'd go off the so-called fiscal cliff. today speaker boehner said talks we
the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road...
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and as you know, this isn't one fiscal cliff. this is six or seven different things that can be taken on one at a time. the middle class and the working class can be protected. the only thing preventing that from happening is the house leadership. and that's a tough situation for the republicans to be in, where they either have to show their true priority, which is to hold the middle class hostage, or take this piece away and be forced to show what they're really standing for. >> but if you look at the fish bowl the republicans are swimming in right now, there are a lot of sharks. you've got mitch mcconnell, who's running for re-election. you've got eric cantor, looking over speaker boehner's shoulder. he'd love to have that job. i mean, how can you get an honest broker out of the republican camp, when all of this stuff is swimming around? you've got the hard right-wing tea partyers out there. you've got mcconnell looking at possibly being in a real tough re-election. and as i said, you know, boehner, is he protecting his backsid
and as you know, this isn't one fiscal cliff. this is six or seven different things that can be taken on one at a time. the middle class and the working class can be protected. the only thing preventing that from happening is the house leadership. and that's a tough situation for the republicans to be in, where they either have to show their true priority, which is to hold the middle class hostage, or take this piece away and be forced to show what they're really standing for. >> but if...
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but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes and get rid of some deductions, but when it comes to big issues, which is paring back spending, what are they proposing? over the weekend, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, he offered a few nuggets and i would like to get your thoughts. he said increase the medicare eligibility age, ask wealthier americans to pay higher medicare premiums. and possibly paring back the cost of living increases, giving to social security beneficiaries. those are three specific so we have heard so far from the gop side. what are your thoughts on that? >> i think that is
but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes...
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who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on
who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until...
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subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> surprising exactly no
subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we...
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treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think they're going to wait for the debt ceiling crisis that they're going to create with their leverage. but it seems to me that they have more incentive to blame the democrats for rising taxes on everybody, and then come back and pass that middle class tax cut. i think we're going to see the sun setting of the bush tax cuts. i just don't see how the tea partyers essentially can do a preemptive basically pre- preemptive before the taxes go back up. >> eliot: charles, do you agree with sam? once the tax cuts have expired maybe they pass the tax cut for 98% but then use their
treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think...
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we're going to go over the fiscal cliff together. and that's particularly true and particularly difficult for republicans because the way the polls are showing the public's anger with this process, the republicans are going to get most of that anger. and they are the same polls that in fact, the gop is listening to and watching, and boehner is very, very much aware of them. so i think that 37% may be the way things come out. >> let's talk about those polls for a minute. quinnipiac had a poll out that showed the president's job approval rating at 53%. that's not really giant or amazing, but, considering where he's been, not too long ago, that is pretty good. robert, is this the kind of compromise that could give everyone some cover here? the president can say, yeah, i got higher taxes on the wealthy. the republicans can say, yeah, we gave in, but not much. >> yes, it could. i think -- if it is 37%, a lot of democrats will grumble, wait a minute. we thought that the bush tax cuts would expire. what was so bad about the 39.6% highest ra
we're going to go over the fiscal cliff together. and that's particularly true and particularly difficult for republicans because the way the polls are showing the public's anger with this process, the republicans are going to get most of that anger. and they are the same polls that in fact, the gop is listening to and watching, and boehner is very, very much aware of them. so i think that 37% may be the way things come out. >> let's talk about those polls for a minute. quinnipiac had a...
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we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy. >> stephanie: okay. lenny in wisconsin. your eaten "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi. how you doing, steph? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i have a few things to say. i hope you don't cut me off. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: i'm a 62-year-old gay man who is on disability and i've got my -- because of scott walker, all of my healthcare removed. all of my food stamps removed. i'm making $700 a month. i have $500 a month in prescriptions which of course, i can't afford. so i had to decide which ones are the best for me to take and i have no
we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy....